what happens if washington calls it a win, $3 trillion? >> i think $3 trillion, $4 trillion will be a sufficient number, erin, to sort of calm investment markets and to produce a real economy that is growth positive as opposed to growth negative. the real problem going forward is you know, that we're going over the cliff no matter what. it depends on whether we go over like wile keme. coyote or like road runner with a parachute. that's the road runner with a parachute. but still, that cliff is like the grand canyon. there are more entitlements to cut and more taxes to raise over the ensuing years. >> and that, i guess, is the problem. all right, i prefer to be road runner with a parachute than wile e. coyoty. i'll give you that, but as you said, we still go off the cliff. how can washington do a deal as big as the numbers you say we need that will prevent the country from, just to give people a sense of what the outcomes could be, it could be your borrowing costs sky rocket, it could be your cost of living plunges. it could be serious in t